Saibal wrote: *"The Universe,as we perceive it at least, seems to behave in a regular way, it is describable in terms of laws of physics that can be formulated using only a few bits of information."*
...'as we perceive it' ...'seems'... 'that CAN BE formulated' ... cautious words. My feeling is that our science (physical in the first place) puts the carriage before the horse and uses those few bits we *THINK* we know of into a frame- work that can be manipulated into - mostly not immediately false - 'laws'. However: look back a few millennia and try to apply your present thinking onto the knowledge-base of those times - you may be disappointed. Alas, I cannot offer the opposite, to try to apply the 'bits of information' from 3000 years in the future in a similar experiment. (30,000 years? 3 million?) The strained mental efforts for understanding 'information obtained about the World' seek a concentration into applicable laws for describing as much (and as well) whatever we think is describable. Physically, mathematically etc. Of course I am starting from my agnostic views, believing that all we MAY know today is a tiny-tiny part of the infinite complexity of the Entirety. I condone the positive results of our science and technology without which we would still live on trees (or in the waters). I consider it a step into even more (partial???) knowledge about the World (not the Universe, mind you) with the attached doubt of going the wrong way. Our observations result in knowledge adjusted to our present capabilities of the mind. That we try to order into usability. JM On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 6:39 PM, smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote: > > On 20-04-2016 21:16, John Mikes wrote: > >> Dear Saibal, >> >> what makes you think that we can deduct (know??) anything rightfully >> about the REAL WORLD into our feable human mind? You may LIKE more the >> QM than the classical versions, but that is no verification. >> >> We obtain(ed) SOME input about the 'WORLD' and deposited it adjusted >> to the capabilities of the human mind (at THAT time) APPLYING human >> logic (math?) and the content earlier deposited on the subjects. >> > > The Universe,as we perceive it at least, seems to behave in a regular way, > it is describable in terms of laws of physics that can be formulated using > only a few bits of information. > > Saibal > > >> John Mikes >> >> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:08 PM, smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote: >> >> The real world is quantum-mechanical, no classical. At the >>> macroscopic level, quantum mechanics does not become equivalent to >>> classical physics at all (there is no way an infinite dimensional >>> Hilbert space will somehow reduce to a classical phase space), what >>> happens is that the results of computations can be performed by >>> pretending that classical mechanics is correct, with impunity. >>> >>> So, whenever classical concepts are introduced, the results may be >>> good enough for the physical quantities that one computes, for >>> interpretational issues there can be problems. >>> >>> As pointed out by Vaidman here: >>> >>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.6169 [1] >>> >>> This is also the case for the Aharonov-Bohm effect. So, the effect >>> is obviously real, but the purported non-locality is just an >>> artifact of classical reasoning. >>> >>> Saibal >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >>> [2]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [3]. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> [2]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout [3]. >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.6169 >> [2] https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> [3] https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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