On 31 Mar 2017, at 21:40, Brent Meeker wrote:



On 3/31/2017 6:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 31 Mar 2017, at 01:59, Brent Meeker wrote:



On 3/30/2017 6:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 29 Mar 2017, at 21:33, Brent Meeker wrote:



On 3/29/2017 10:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The problem is that many atheists exploit a confusion between failing to believe in x, ~[]x, and believing in the inexistence or falsity of x, []~x.

On the contrary; it is religionists who exploit this confusion to falsely criticize atheism as "just another faith".

Then, how do you call those who believe that there is no God?

Strong atheists or those who think belief there is a God is a moral fault, "anti-theists".


OK. So we agree.

The problem is that the strong atheists called themselves just atheists, and then claim they have no belief, when in fact they believe in 0 god, unlike agnostic who say: I don't know, give the definition and the theory.

There are also strong agnostics, i.e. those who hold it is impossible to know anything about god(s).

That is self-defeating. They hold that it is impossible to know anything about god(s), but then they hold a strong statement about God(s): that it is impossible to know anything about Gods.

If you weaken slightly "strong-agnosticism", you will arrive quickly to the negative theology, which asserts that we cannot define God by any positive (or even negative) attribute, but you can approach it by a sequence of negative assertions: it is not this, nor that, etc.

Bruno



Brent

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