On 4/1/2017 12:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 31 Mar 2017, at 21:40, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 3/31/2017 6:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 31 Mar 2017, at 01:59, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 3/30/2017 6:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Mar 2017, at 21:33, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 3/29/2017 10:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The problem is that many atheists exploit a confusion between
failing to believe in x, ~[]x, and believing in the inexistence
or falsity of x, []~x.
On the contrary; it is religionists who exploit this confusion to
falsely criticize atheism as "just another faith".
Then, how do you call those who believe that there is no God?
Strong atheists or those who think belief there is a God is a moral
fault, "anti-theists".
OK. So we agree.
The problem is that the strong atheists called themselves just
atheists, and then claim they have no belief, when in fact they
believe in 0 god, unlike agnostic who say: I don't know, give the
definition and the theory.
There are also strong agnostics, i.e. those who hold it is impossible
to know anything about god(s).
That is self-defeating. They hold that it is impossible to know
anything about god(s), but then they hold a strong statement about
God(s): that it is impossible to know anything about Gods.
If you weaken slightly "strong-agnosticism", you will arrive quickly
to the negative theology, which asserts that we cannot define God by
any positive (or even negative) attribute,
That's nonsense. Words get defined, not things. We cannot define
"God", is simply false. We can define "God" however suits us for
purposes of communication. To say we cannot know anything about God is
contradictory because it assumes we know what God is in order that we
can make an assertion that we can't know anything about it. So I'm not a
strong-agnostic.
but you can approach it by a sequence of negative assertions: it is
not this, nor that, etc.
Which naturally evokes the question, "WHAT is not this or that?"
Brent
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