On 26 Jun 2017, at 21:44, John Clark wrote:

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:

​> ​I think free-will is a key concept

​"Free will" is not a key concept, it's not even a trivial concept, its a sequence of letters that lots of people on the internet like to type and nothing more.


As Brent just mentioned, it makes sense in a court law, and indeed, I am not sure a lot of human value (justice, freedom, responsibility, intelligence, ...) would not disappear without a notion of free-will. To decide that free-will does not exist due to determinacy is close to the general elimination of consciousness and (first) person so frequent among metaphysical materialist.

I have few doubt that you decided to criticize free-will by using your own free-will, despite it was easy to predict that you would come back with you idea that free-will is just a sequence of letter, which obviously it is not (if that exists or not).

Free-will denial is first person denial. You are coherent with your materialist faith, but then you do eliminate the first person view, as you illustrated in your step-3 stuck-problem (but that is incoherent with your mechanist faith).

In computer science, you can use the program self-reference ability to define free-will formally, with a a recursion equation of the type "phi_e () = if u(e, a) more pleasant than u(e, b) search a and not b". (u being the universal number running the self-referring program e. The program e imagine itself doing two tasks and choose to actually proceed on one of them by comparing mentally the consequences.

Bruno




 John K Clark​




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