On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > As Brent just mentioned, it makes sense in a court law, > No, free will makes no sense in any context ; and that's exactly why the court system in most countries is such a ridiculous chaotic self contradictory mess. > > > and indeed, I am not sure a lot of human value (justice, freedom, > responsibility, > Justice and responsibility are intrinsically linked with the concept of punishment, and the only logical reason to punish anybody for anything is to discourage similar acts in the future; if it can't do that then there is no point to the punishment. It's true that the reptilian part of our brain can also get enjoyment from making somebody we don't like suffer just for the sake of suffering, but I'm not proud of that part of my brain and so the more recently evolved parts of that organ have decided to refuse to defend such a feeling. As for freedom that just means the ability to do what you want to do, and sometimes you can but usually you can not because something restrains you, if by nothing else the laws of physics. > > > To decide that free-will does not exist > [...] > Unicorns don't exist, the largest prime number doesn't exist, Harry Potter doesn't exist, but it would be wrong to say free will doesn't exist. Free will has neither the property of existence nor nonexistence because free will is pure unadulterated gibberish. > > The program e imagine itself doing two tasks and choose to actually > proceed on one of them by comparing mentally the consequences. Sure, the program decided to do X rather than Y for a reason, just as a cog in a cuckoo clock decided to turn left rather than right for a reason. > > > Free-will denial is first person denial. > Please please I'm begging you, lets not wade back into that cesspool of pointless peepee! John K Clark > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
