On 28 Jun 2017, at 21:59, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Chira <[email protected]>
wrote:
> You assume that it can't be assumed but you bring no support
for your universal claim. How do you know that it can't be done?
I know because there is nothing there to assume or not to assume.
With free will there is no there there.
Only because you allude to the incompatibilist theory of free will,
which is indeed arguably senseless.
But formally, you can retrieve 95% of that theory by replacing
"indeterminacy" by self-indeterminacy. Then theoretical computer
science and mathematical logic provides models of free-will and
provides reason for its existence and role. It is related to
consciousness and the 1p (the person from the person pov).
>What happens if I do it anyway?
What will happen if you assume "free will" is exactly precisely
the same thing that will happen if you assume "phlobnegob".
No, if you assume free-will you ease the work of the judge when
invoking its conviction in hard cases. If you assume "phlobnegob", you
are at risk, given that up to now it might mean anything. It can be
used as a variable or as a constant in a logical theory.
> Then what's to stop me from assuming it?
Nothing prevents you except for the embarrassment of speaking
gibberish.
Or maybe you don't understand what we are talking about. We have
already discussed this, and at some point you have proposed a
definition, adding it is was not interesting. Since then, we always
talk on something around your definition, and insisting that you don't
find it interesting does not add anything interesting to it.
Free-will is (arguably) a higher order logical notion, in relation
with other notion used everyday, like responsibility, jurisprudence,
etc. Basically large part of the human science, and larger and larger
part of mathematical logic and computer science and "artificial"
intelligence. ("artificial" is an indexical, and is artificial, it is
a distinction that "we" do).
It is important, I think. There are technic to demolish free-will, and
make you into slaves, if not into bomb.
Call it "will", if you prefer. Free-will is basically "will", and is
more a contextual attitude than a mean. Some people can abandon it for
a penny, other people keeps it under torture.
Bruno
John K Clark
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