On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I am just saying that universal machine can differ fro their beliefs, and > that it is a better identity criteria, > If you have a better way of identifying the beliefs of others than observing their behavior I would very much like to hear what it is! > > > Do you agree that the Clark and ensistenin are different person, despite > being both (universal) machine? Sure I agree, universal machines can have different memories and different programming. And in the real physical world it takes time to move that tape (or its equivalent) around, and some machines can do it faster than others. Also in the real physical world different amounts of blank tape are available for use by different machines. In the real would there is never a unlimited amount of tape (or it's equivalent) available for use, there is always a limit, although some have more tape than others. So a Turing Machine is a excellent mathematical model of how real computers and brains work at the fundamental level, but no model can be perfect. >> >> >> It seem to me that the observance of behavior that is exactly the same >> is a great way to determine the equivalence of personal >> identity >> ; in fact I can't think of a better one. >> > > > > > Because it reflects the same beliefs. > That seems like a reasonable hypothesis, but the only thing I know for certain about other people is what their behavior is, and the same would be true of a AI. >> >> So what test can I perform in the lab to determine if machine X is >> L >> öbian >> or Turing? If you have none then it's not science. >> > > > > That is impossible. > Then it's not science just philosophical gas, a idea that can never make advance and progress and so is a waste of time. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
