On 22 Aug 2017, at 01:52, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> now the experiment is over and with the benefit of all the
new found knowledge you've gained from it I just want to know
your new improved answer to the question "What is the name of the
one and only one city I will end up seeing after I became two?".
> Very easy. I open the door, notice the city of Moscow, and
[blah blah BLAH]
I don't what another paragraph of bafflegab! You claim "What is the
name of the one and only one city I will end up seeing after I
became two?" is a real
... is a real question. yes. poorly phrased and slightly ambiguous,
but we both know that it concerns the future first person experience.
So OK.
and the answer is very easy to find, so let's hear it. Knowing what
you know today with the benefit of hindsight what one and only one
city name would you have answered the Helsinki man's
question with?
To get the first person views, you need to tell me which copy you ask
the question, given that I have been duplicated.
The point will be that both will answer something like "Washington
(resp. Moscow), and I could not have predicted it".
We both know you've got no one word answer, and that means it wasn't
a question.
We both know that each copy get the precise answer, and both
understand that they could not have known that answer in advance for
obvious mechanist reason.
> write the result in my diary.
Bruno, why do keep talking about that stupid diary?
To help people to distinguish the 3p view and the 1p views.
After the duplication 2 people will have identical copies of that
diary in their hand,
Yes. With their "prediction", and both can see that "W & M" is
refuted, and "W v M" is verified.
so how does that help us determine which ONE of the TWO wrote it?
It is written in Helsinki, and before opening the door, it contains
the prediction. After opening the door each copy can see if the
prediction is accurate. One diary will add the result "W", and one
diary will contain M, and both refute W & M, and both verifies "W v
M". I think you just ask us to prove a 3p indeterminacy, but there are
none. It is a personal indeterminacy. Each copy get the anwer. You
need only to stop treating like if they were zombies, or like if they
have become some telepathic unique person seeing two cities at once.
> I bet "W v M", and it is the best prediction available.
That was yesterday, I what to know what's the best you can do
today and if it's not better than the prediction made yesterday that
proves it wasn't a question.
But it is better! I just did the experience, and got the result. I got
"W". I let you know. I could not have predicted at all, given that if
I would have predicted W, my doppelhanger would have refuted it, and
by computationalism, I agree he is as much me than me-in-Washington.
>>I what to know what your new improved answer is.
> In Helsinki, I knew (modulo comp) that I will find myself in
W or M, but [blah blah BLAH]
That's the same crap you said yesterday about what will happen
today, the fact that you can't do any better today about what
already happened today is yet more proof that it wasn't a
question.
I could. I just did.
Bruno
John K Clark
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