On 26 Sep 2017, at 07:30, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
You folks want Profundity-If this is fact, it is, Profundity
itself. A Japanese team came up with a super-duper quantum computing
architecture, that looks to be able to eat the Protein Folding
Problem, with pepper and salt. I don't feel this news is too good to
be true. Needs much work, development, bottleneck fixing, progging,
but, am guessing that you wanted a Singularity? Ya got a Singularity.
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/09/japanese-researchers-work-out-theoretical-universal-quantum-computer-that-could-scale-to-millions-of-qubits.html
That approach is very interesting. I have no clue if it is feasible in
a near future. It looks more feasible than most models though.
Now, that machine will be able to do a million times more stupidities
than the human.
And plausibly new quantum one ...
The singularity might be the discovery of the universal (Turing)
machine. I think. We don't realize because we have the nose on it.
Of course, in a sense, the bacteria, and later the neurons, did that
well before us-the-human, and indeed, that's why we could do it to.
Once there, the universal machine can only become more deluded, get
trapped in the Samsara, confuse its higher self with the little ego,
and mix brilliance with barbary, like with atomic bombs.
Now, I would certainly applaud if they succeed in solving, by
simulation I guess, to predict the folding of the proteins, which is a
very hard problem indeed, and a probably crucial one for the future of
bio-computing. It will have medical applications, for the best, and
the worst.
Bruno
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From: John Clark <[email protected]>
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Sent: Mon, Sep 25, 2017 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting
point")
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> The only identity criteria I remember
agreeing to is " the Moscow man" means the man who saw
Moscow .
> You have agreed that the Moscow Man (like the Washington
Man) is an honorable Helsinki Man survivor.
I have agreed that the Helsinki Man is a proper subset of
the Moscow man but the two are NOT equivalent, if they were it would
be stupid to give them different names. I also said the Helsinki man
survives because the Moscow man remembers being the Helsinki man and
remembering is how I define "survival", but how you define survival
I don't know.
> Yes, the Helsinki man is in two places,
Then what are we arguing about?
> but the point is that he does not feel that way.
Oh yes now I remember, we are arguing about the identity
of the mysterious Mr. He.
> nobody can feel to be in two places at once with
computationalism
That is not a sacred axiom of computationalism! The Moscow man and
the Washington man could be merged back together and the resulting
Moscow/Washington man would have vivid memories of being in both
cities at exactly the same time, as well as having memories of being
just the Helsinki man. In fact you could feel to be in 2 cities at
the same time even without a people duplicating machine, just feed
in detailed sensory data from Moscow and Washington back to the
fellow in Helsinki.
"I" is the usual indexical. You can duplicate it in the 3-1 picture,
but not in the 1p view, viewed from that 1p view.
Good old "the"! Misusing personal pronouns is not the only way
to sweep illogical thinking under the rug, forgetting that there is
a difference between the English articles "the" and "a" also does a
good job at muddying the waters.
>> All the copies were NOT asked the question yesterday
back in Helsinki,
> The prediction is asked to the Helsinki guy before the
duplication. The copies are the Helsinki guy,
Yes the copies are the Helsinki guy because they are
everything the Helsinki man was, but the Helsinki guy was never
everything the copies are, one is a proper subset of the other. Not
all connections between things have the Equivalence Relation ,
equality does but "is grater than" does not, 4 is grater than 3
but 3 is not grater than 4. Personal identity also does not have
the Equivalence Relation , the Moscow man is the Helsinki man
but the Helsinki man is not the Moscow man.
>> you ask "Which one will become the Moscow man?" and the
answer of course is "the one the sees Moscow".
> That does not help the Helsinki man,
Well.... I could add that the one the sees Moscow will turn out
to be the Moscow man. That's all the help I can give the Helsinki
man because I don't understand what he is asking.
> given that in helsinki he still doesn't know if he will feel
to be being the M-man or not.
That's right, "he" still doesn't know and "he" will NEVER know
because nobody will ever know what "he" means in the above.
> > Yes that's a trivial answer but then it was a trivial
question, and at least it's true just like all tautologies.
> But can be false when used to predict "moscow" in helsinki.
So the Moscow man didn't see Moscow?! Well then who did see
Moscow, the Washington man??
> Answer this before we proceed, please. Should the H-man
expect or not to drink tea when tea is promised to be given to both
copies?
I still don't understand why you're more interested in
expectations than reality but if you insist in a answer I will give
you one. N o, he should not expect to get tea he should
expect the promise to be broken and it would be better if he
expected to end up in Santa Claus's workshop instead. Why
should he expect that? Because he will happier if he does, Santa
Claus's workshop sounds like more fun than drinking tea. Of
course expectations need not turn out to be correct to bring happiness
John K Clark
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