You folks want Profundity-If this is fact, it is, Profundity itself. A Japanese team came up with a super-duper quantum computing architecture, that looks to be able to eat the Protein Folding Problem, with pepper and salt. I don't feel this news is too good to be true. Needs much work, development, bottleneck fixing, progging, but, am guessing that you wanted a Singularity? Ya got a Singularity. https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/09/japanese-researchers-work-out-theoretical-universal-quantum-computer-that-could-scale-to-millions-of-qubits.html
-----Original Message----- From: John Clark <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Sep 25, 2017 3:37 pm Subject: Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point") On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> The only identity criteria I remember agreeing to is " the Moscow man" means the man who saw Moscow . > You have agreed that the Moscow Man (like the Washington Man) is an honorable Helsinki Man survivor. I have agreed that the Helsinki Man is a proper subset of the Moscow man but the two are NOT equivalent, if they were it would be stupid to give them different names. I also said the Helsinki man survives because the Moscow man remembers being the Helsinki man and remembering is how I define "survival", but how you define survival I don't know. > Yes, the Helsinki man is in two places, Then what are we arguing about? > but the point is that he does not feel that way. Oh yes now I remember, we are arguing about the identity of the mysterious Mr. He. > nobody can feel to be in two places at once with computationalism That is not a sacred axiom of computationalism! The Moscow man and the Washington man could be merged back together and the resulting Moscow/Washington man would have vivid memories of being in both cities at exactly the same time, as well as having memories of being just the Helsinki man. In fact you could feel to be in 2 cities at the same time even without a people duplicating machine, just feed in detailed sensory data from Moscow and Washington back to the fellow in Helsinki. "I" is the usual indexical. You can duplicate it in the 3-1 picture, but not in the 1p view, viewed from that 1p view. Good old "the"! Misusing personal pronouns is not the only way to sweep illogical thinking under the rug, forgetting that there is a difference between the English articles "the" and "a" also does a good job at muddying the waters. >> All the copies were NOT asked the question yesterday back in Helsinki, > The prediction is asked to the Helsinki guy before the duplication. The copies are the Helsinki guy, Yes the copies are the Helsinki guy because they are everything the Helsinki man was, but the Helsinki guy was never everything the copies are, one is a proper subset of the other. Not all connections between things have the Equivalence Relation , equality does but "is grater than" does not, 4 is grater than 3 but 3 is not grater than 4. Personal identity also does not have the Equivalence Relation , the Moscow man is the Helsinki man but the Helsinki man is not the Moscow man. >> you ask "Which one will become the Moscow man?" and the answer of course is "the one the sees Moscow". > That does not help the Helsinki man, Well.... I could add that the one the sees Moscow will turn out to be the Moscow man. That's all the help I can give the Helsinki man because I don't understand what he is asking. > given that in helsinki he still doesn't know if he will feel to be being the M-man or not. That's right, "he" still doesn't know and "he" will NEVER know because nobody will ever know what "he" means in the above. > > Yes that's a trivial answer but then it was a trivial question, and at least it's true just like all tautologies. > But can be false when used to predict "moscow" in helsinki. So the Moscow man didn't see Moscow?! Well then who did see Moscow, the Washington man?? > Answer this before we proceed, please. Should the H-man expect or not to drink tea when tea is promised to be given to both copies? I still don't understand why you're more interested in expectations than reality but if you insist in a answer I will give you one. N o, he should not expect to get tea he should expect the promise to be broken and it would be better if he expected to end up in Santa Claus's workshop instead. Why should he expect that? Because he will happier if he does, Santa Claus's workshop sounds like more fun than drinking tea. Of course expectations need not turn out to be correct to bring happiness John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
