On 12/7/2017 1:01 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12/6/2017 1:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I suspect that this is perhaps why Brent want to refer to the environment
for relating consciousness to the machine, and in Artificial Intelligence,
some people defend the idea that (mundane) consciousness occur only when the
environment contradicts a little bit the quasi automatic persistent
inference we do all the time.
That's Jeff Hawkins model of consciousness: one becomes conscious of
something when all lower, more specialized levels of the brain have found it
not to match their predictions.
In that sort of model, how does matter "know" that it is being used to
run a forecasting algorithm? Surely it doesn't right?
?? Why surely. It seems you're rejecting the idea that a physical
system can be conscious just out of prejudice.
The only way this could work is if the forecasting algorithm and the
cascading effects of failing predictions have the side effect of
creating the "right" sort of interactions at a lower level that
trigger consciousness.
In Hawkins model the predictions fail from the "bottom up", i.e. from
the subconscious, automatic responses up to the top/lanuage/conscious level.
Then I want to know what these interactions
are, and what if the "atom" of consciousness, what is the first
principle. Without this, I would say that such hypothesis are not even
wrong.
There is no "atom of consciousness". In Hawkins model consciousness is
the spreading to the 'failed prediction' signal across the top level of
the neocortex. As I said earlier, this is not Hawkins main interest,
it's more an aside. He's more interested in intelligence. But as has
been discussed here many times, philosophical zombies are probably not
possible. That would imply that a sufficiently intelligent system,
however constructed, will be conscious.
Brent
Telmo.
Brent
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