On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 5:30:27 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:14:35 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 09:41:33PM -0800, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> > >>> > In fact, prior to viewing the video posted, I was convinced that the >>> > incident at Roswell was a balloon from Project Mogul. But the video >>> > convinced me otherwise. AG >>> >>> What did you find so convincing? My scepticism is immediately aroused >>> by humanoid ETIs. There's no good reason why intelligent animals >>> should be humanoid. Plus there was that photo of ET that was recently >>> discovered to be of a mummified child. >>> >>> The point Fermi makes is that any technological civilisation capable >>> of interstellar travel will quite rapidly convert the entire galaxy >>> into artifical structures, such as dyson spheres. This makes me >>> sceptical about ET conspiracy theories. If ET exists, they should be >>> damn obvious by rights, just like American tourists in Rome in July. >>> >> >> I would second this. Fermi's argument would suggest that if ETs were >> abundant in the universe and if they persisted they would be very apparent. >> The lack of such clear evidence suggests that ETs are not widely abundant >> in the universe, they may not last very long (we may be headed down that >> path) and if they do exist they are separated by distances far too large >> for travel and maybe too distant for even radio communication. >> > > I am partial to the Transcension Hypothesis as an answer to the Fermi > Paradox: https://accelerating.org/articles/transcensionhypothesis.html > > This fictionalized version is a great read: > http://frombob.to/you/index.html > > Jason >
I think Brent has a point. It is similar to saying that we humans are more likely to colonize Mars before we colonize any extra-solar system of planets. I think the idea of transcension projects this issue into far more extreme territory. So I tend to think if alien spacecraft really did appear here that it would be in some ways fairly ordinary. Highly extraordinary accounts are less probable. Wormholing to other cosmologies or trying to use rotating black holes to pass into another cosmology or region is fraught with troubles. Violation of chronology protection and censorship by horizons is equivalent to violating theorem results in quantum mechanics. These things may not be physically possible. LC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
