On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 1:46:55 PM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 1:09:37 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> > > But what is the criterion when AI exceeds human intelligence? AG >>> > > >>> > > >>> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-16/father-artificial-intelligence-singularity-less-30-years-away >>> >>> > >>> > So we need to sharpen the question. Exactly *what* is 30yrs away? >>> > >>> > Brent >>> > >>> >>> According to the title (I haven't RTFA), it's the >>> singularity. Starting from a point where a machine designs, >>> and manufactures improved copies of itself, technology will supposedly >>> veer from it's exponential path (Moore's law) etc to hyperbolic. Being >>> hyperbolic, it reaches infinity within a finite period of time, >>> expected to be a matter of months perhaps. >>> >>> Given that we really don't understand creative processes (not even >>> good old fashioned biological evolution is really well understood), >>> I'm sceptical about the 30 years prognostication. It is mostly based on >>> extrapolating Moore's law, which is the easy part of technological >>> change. >>> >>> This won't be a problem for my children - my grandchildren perhaps, if >>> I ever end up having any. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >> >> One thing a computer can not do is ask a question. I can ask a question >> and program a computer to help solve the problem. In fact I am doing a >> program to do just this. I am working a computer program to model aspects >> of gravitational memory. What the computer will not do, at least computers >> we currently employ will not do is to ask the question and then work to >> solve it. A computer can find a numerical solution or render something >> numerically, but it does not spontaneously act to ask the question or to >> propose something creative to then solve or render the solution. >> >> P >> You must never have applied for a loan online. >> >> Brent >> > > I am not sure how that is relevant. >
*Brent was referring to the many questions a computer asks when someone applies for loan online. Of course, the issue here is whether a computer can ask a question that is not pre-programmed. It cannot IMO. People will argue that humans can only ask questions which are, in effect, pre-programmed. One can argue they cannot do so by referring to any new theory in physics. Can a computer ask a question about something it has newly been informed about? If informed, can it ask any specific question if not pre-programmed to do so? AG* > No I have not applied for a loan online. In fact about 10 years ago or so > I made a choice not to do financial transactions online. Of course in some > sense this means I am becoming a bit of a slowpoke in that game, but I have > worked to reduce my footprint on the digital landscape and to keep my > financial decisions offline. This reduces my prospects for cyber-snooping > and having personal information flying around out there. > > LC > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
