On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 11:49:49 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 May 2018, at 22:56, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: > > > > On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 9:56:39 AM UTC, scerir wrote: >> >> Aristotle distinguishes two aspects of ordinary things: form and matter. >> >> Form only exists when it enforms matter. Matter is just potential to be >> enformed. >> >> Aristotle identifies matter with potentiality, form with actuality. >> >> "For, as we said, word substance has three meanings, form, matter, and >> the complex of both and of these three, what is called matter is >> potentiality, what is called form actuality." (De Anima, II) >> >> (According to Heisenberg wavefunctions are "potentialities", at least >> before measurements). >> > > Bruno exudes extreme aversion to "primary matter”, > > > > Not at all. > > I just show that the assumption of primary matter contradicts the > assumption of mechanism (that is not obvious and requires some work). > Mechanism is incompatible with (weak) Materailsm (the belief that there is > some ontologically primitive/irreducible matter). >
What is "primary matter"? AG > > Then I show how to test it, and how I have tested it, and the evidences > available up to now sides with Mechanism, against (weak) materialism. > > I only have aversion with contradiction. > > > > > and Aristotle, the presumed creator of the concept. But it's hard to see > what exactly he objects to. > > > I object to nothing. I prove that mechanism (Yes-doctor + Church’s thesis) > are logically incompatible, or epistemologically impossible. (The phrasing > can depend on some other metaphysical assumptions). > > Then I explain why today evidences strongly suggests mechanism. > > I certainly object to the idea that “materialism” has been proved, or that > physicalism is the only modern option, and common misuse of physics in > metaphysics. > > You will need to understand how the notion of computation has been > discovered by mathematicians, in arithmetic. Gödel 1931 made the hard work, > and Gödel missed it, but then people like Church, Turing and Kleene will > make all this transparent, as Gödel explained himself. > > Ask any question. I worked hard to make the main argument available to > anyone having a small amount of passive understanding of how a (physical if > you want) computer is functioning. There nothing hard to understand, except > for having some ability to doubt metaphysical prejudices. > > If you understand what is a computation, you will, with some small amount > of work understand that all computation are executed in arithmetic, which > is enough to doubt *primary* matter (for which there has never been any > evidence as the antic dream argument already showed). But the reasoning I > shared here run deeper, and eventually, in the mathematical part, get > constructive, so that we can make the test, and thanks to > QM-without-collapse, it fits rather well. > > Bruno > > > > > > You seem quite erudite on a variety of subjects. Is this a general > characteristic of farmers in Italy today? Inquiring minds want to know. AG > >> >> Il 26 maggio 2018 alle 10.13 [email protected] ha scritto: >> >> What is it according to Aristotle (or whoever is responsible for the >> concept), and what is the basis for refuting its existence? -- in 25 words >> or less. AG >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
