> On 7 Jun 2018, at 01:46, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> From -500 to +500, theology has progressed a lot. > > I>> I'd like to see some examples of that. > > > Pythagorus, Heraclitus, Parmenides, Plato, Moderatus of Gades, Plotinus, > Proclus, Porphyry, … Damascius. That describes the main theologians > responsible for the progress in Occident. > > I didn't ask for a list of people, I asked for examples of theology improving > from 500 BC to 500 AD and you can't find a single one,
? I meant: here are the improvements described, in the works of Pythagorus to Damascus. That is a line of communication in the field with a constant progress, getting indeed quite close to the theology of the universal machine. Including the very deep reflexion on numbers. > well don't feel bad I can't either, although I can find examples of it > changing from one form of idiocy to a different form of idiocy. > > > That describes the main theologians responsible for the progress in > > Occident. > > What progress?? The one from Pythagorus to Damascus in Occident. Stopped by the fake religion when it has been institutionalised and that theology has become fairy tales to make us asleep in the filed, like the Soviet did with Genetics. But now I realised that the progress have seriously continued in the Middle East, where it ends at the eleventh century, but made enough progress to get through europa where the jewish-Islamic science of the Jewish a,d Islamic Neoplatonician led to the European Renaissance. It is only you, and the Pope, and the Ayatollah which confines theology in the texts. I realise that the neoplatonic Islam, the test is subdued to reason. Theology get sick and quickly authoritarian when the reason is subdued to the text, which is exactly what you do when you ask me to use the term God in the sense of the bible or the Quran, when I used it in the sense of the greek, and Indian, and Chinese rationalists. > > > I am talking about theology, the science. > > I don't know what that is. I see. I remind you that I have suggested many books. There are good books, and I have given references, including some explaining well that even mathematical logic is born from neoplatonic concerns, despite the (anglican) church, probably by relation to dogma, and during fight between Unionists (only the One), and Trinitarians (The One has three main aspects). Brouwer and Cantor were both mystic. Cantor had long discussion on its transfinite with a Bishop). Einstein has a theology close to Spinoza, which helped him greatly, although it was a bit blind by its Aristotelian prejudices, but recently I got evidence that it got Gödel’s point, which is that theology can be done scientifically, and that immaterialism was still in the caucus. Gödel’s missed Mechanism and Church-thesis, and he was blinded by it will of finding a universal provability notion, which is forbidden by its own theorems, unless mechanism is false, … > > > By the first person indeterminacy I cannot know, in Helsinki, which one I > > will feel to be. > > I'm NOT asking "which one I will feel to be?”, But the step 3 ask that. You cannot change the question I am asking. What are you doing? > I'm asking "after it was all over which ONE did YOU turn out to be”. OK. I answer again. After it was all over, there are two Bruno, one in Moscow, and one in Washington, and you have to ask them. Obviously the one in Washington will tell you “I am the one in Washington, and I was indeed unable to predict that in Hkesinki as my diary shows clearly. But my bet W v M was right, as I got W. And the similar corresponding answer from the Moscow-guy. It is enough one copy get wrong to say that the prediction was wrong. So, I the diary contained 100% Washington, despite the W-guy will say “my prediction was correct”, as the diary in Helsinki is duplicated, the guy in Moscow has written it “100% Washington” is refuted. If in the diary you write 100% Washington and 100% Moscow, you just five the third person description of where the first person will survive, but that is not the first person result we talk about in the experience. > Nobody can answer either one because neither one is a question. A question > needs more than a question mark. Because you put the “first person” under the rug in the question. > > > read their diary. > > To hell with that stupid imbecilic pointless diary!!! Showing your emotion make people suspect you have no point. Bruno > > > Assuming that there is a universe. > > Assuming assumptions exist and assuming assuming assumptions exist and… > > >> Randomness is impossible? What law of logic demands that EVERY event > have a cause? > > > Rationality. > > What about rationality? > > > The same for “no cause”. It means only: we don’t see the cause yet. > > > Interesting theology, how did you get that information? Did the Holy Ghost > come to you in a dream and tell you that reality was like a infinite > Matryoshka doll and that A was caused by B and B was caused by C and C was > caused by D and D was caused by E and E was caused by F and F was ....... > > > God exist, it is not omnipotent, nor omniscient. > > Then why do you call him "God", what's so godlike about him? And what does > the God theory make clear that we wouldn't understand without it? The answers > to those questions must be one of those things your non-omniscient God > doesn't know. > > John K Clark > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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