On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:37:19 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mar. 24 juil. 2018 à 20:30, <agrays...@gmail.com <javascript:>> a > écrit : > >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 12:58:43 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 09:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 4:27:03 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 23:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 10:17:04 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 04:40, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Nevertheless, I still stand with Schroedinger that in any quantum >>>>> superposition, other than for slit experiments, the system cannot be in >>>>> all >>>>> eigenstates simultaneously before measurement.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then you can no more explain the working of an interferometer, or >>>>> polariser, or even the structure of the hydrogen atoms, molecules, etc. >>>>> You >>>>> are just saying that QM works for the double slit, but not for anything >>>>> else. That is contrary to the fact that QM has just never been shown >>>>> wrong, >>>>> at any scale and level. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Sorry, but I see you have no clue what I have been claiming in this >>>> thread. Although I infer that English isn't your native language, you know >>>> it well enough to understand my claim; yet you do NOT. How can you expect >>>> to posit new theories about reality, such as based on arithmetic, if you >>>> are unable to understand simple English? OK, let me start again. I am NOT >>>> questioning the CALCULATED results of QM.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is ambiguous. Is it SWE + COLLAPSE, or just SWE (+ Mechanism) ? >>>> >>> >>> >>> *That you ask this question, shows you still have no clue what I am >>> arguing about. Thanks for your time. AG * >>> >>> >>> >>> What are you arguing about? I’m afraid you are unclear in many of your >>> replies, including to others. But you seem to believe that there is no >>> superposition, >>> >> >> *I never claimed that, never. You have no clue what I am arguing. NONE! >> AG* >> > > Could you use a bigger font and a redder color? Because it's too small for > us to read... Also please stop taking time to explain yourself it is as we > all know useless, instead I propose for you to directly insult people in > blinking red 66pt sized font... It will be at last interesting. > > Thank you. >
*How many times do I have to state that I was objecting NOT to superposition per se, but to its INTERPRETATION until Bruno understands? We use superpositions to calculate probabilities, which obviously works, but why do the Masters of the Universe assume a system in a superposition of eigenstates (which, btw, are orthogonal, so no mutual interference, and form a basis) is SIMULTANEOUSLY in all component states when the base is NOT unique? I don't see that claim or hypothesis used in solving standard quantum problems, such as the H-atom, tunneling, etc., so it seems SUPERFLUOUS and leads to problems such as a cat which is alive and dead simultaneously. AG* > >> >> >>> makes me doubt you have study QM, >>> >> >> which is all about superposition. I do miss something, you might perhaps >>> try to clarify. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>>> Personally by QM I mean the SWE or its Dirac Version, or >>>> DeWitt-Wheeler, etc. Once I understood that Bohr’s perturbation act needs >>>> FTL influence, I have ceased to judge the collapse plausible. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
