> On 26 Jul 2018, at 23:45, [email protected] wrote: > > > > On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 5:19:00 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 Jul 2018, at 13:06, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: >> >> -- a mental illness, verging on, but not quite a form of insanity. AG > > > That was like the final word of the Church about Giordano Bruno, who dared to > suggest there might be other planets, before burning it at the stake. > > No, not at all. I don't deny the possible existence of multiple universes. > What I DO deny is that they're implied by the M
The M. I guess you mean QM (by which I alway mean QM-without-the collapse axioms). But if I look at a cat in the alive +dead state, QM (without collapse) entails my consciousness differentiate into the two incompatible mind state “I see a cat alive” and “I see a cat dead”. To have only one history/universe/world, some mechanism must be given to make a branch disappear. But that contradicts QM-without collapse. To assume QM and a unique “universe” needs a collapse of some sort, or Bohm’s hidden variable theory, and FTL etc. > > On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 5:19:00 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 Jul 2018, at 13:06, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: >> >> -- a mental illness, verging on, but not quite a form of insanity. AG > > > That was like the final word of the Church about Giordano Bruno, who dared to > suggest there might be other planets, before burning it at the stake. > > No, not at all. I don't deny the possible existence of multiple universes. > What I DO deny is that they're implied by the MWI. AG > > You worry me a little bit. > > Anyway, closing discussion or using insult means you are not really > interested in searching to understand, but more in imposing some > religion(conception of reality) to others. > > Problem is that you insist on discussing collapse, rather than my analysis of > what superposition means, that is, its interpretation. The two issues are > separable. But at least you're willing to discuss the issues unlike other > gurus who populate this list.AG I like to push a discussion until if there is areal disagreement, we can at least agree on what we are disagreeing. Eventually, when done seriously, it ends with the understanding that we work in different theories, very often different metaphysics. We will see. I might put the axioms of QM in a post, so that we can start from a precise core theory. Bruno > > It is sad, as we might agree eventually. > > The universal machine might say that the public assertion that there is even > just *one* world (or one god) is already a form of insanity indeed. Just many > dreams, maybe. But I guesss you will not like that so much. > > Science is just attempts to find theories which explain as much as possible. > There is just no final word. Any assertive public certainty is (plausibly) a > symptom of lie, or manipulation or insanity. Science is a voyage from doubts > to doubts. > > Bruno > > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > WI. AG > You worry me a little bit. > > Anyway, closing discussion or using insult means you are not really > interested in searching to understand, but more in imposing some > religion(conception of reality) to others. > > It is sad, as we might agree eventually. > > The universal machine might say that the public assertion that there is even > just *one* world (or one god) is already a form of insanity indeed. Just many > dreams, maybe. But I guesss you will not like that so much. > > Science is just attempts to find theories which explain as much as possible. > There is just no final word. Any assertive public certainty is (plausibly) a > symptom of lie, or manipulation or insanity. Science is a voyage from doubts > to doubts. > > Bruno > > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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