> On 27 Jul 2018, at 23:05, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 7/27/2018 12:19 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:18:49 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 7/26/2018 11:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, <[email protected] <javascript:>> a écrit : >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 2:08 am, <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:11 AM UTC, [email protected] <> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> I still don't get it why some people prefer insulting other people and >>> their ideas instead of discussing or just stay with their own thoughts and >>> just say they disagree... What do >>> you gain by saying they are insane, stupid or whatever? >>> >>> It just looks to me childish. So stop doing this, stop writing in 70pt size >>> red fonts... It's a disfavor to your arguments. >>> >>> Quentin >>> >>> In fact, I DO think it's a mental illness. AG >>> >>> It's not just wrong, but a gross dysfunction of judgment. Joe the Plumber >>> goes into a lab or his closet, shoots a single electron at a slit, and by >>> so doing creates uncountable universes, all with copies of himself, replete >>> with his memories. Sure. AG >>> >>> You may as well protest on the same basis that the universe can’t be so >>> wastefully large. >>> >>> I don't see how that follows. Unfortunately, one cannot PROVE that the many >>> worlds allegedly implied by the MWI interpretation don't exist, which is >>> why I insist the True Believers are judgment impaired. Do you really >>> believe that trivial actions by mere humans, accidents of evolution, can >>> create entire universes? AG. >>> >>> >>> No, because that's not what happens, at every interactions, universes >>> split/differentiate... Humans or not. >> >> I think that's a misleading way to look at it. First, the vector in Hilbert >> space representing the state of the universe just rotates around. It never >> "splits". What we refer to as "splitting" is the projection onto a plane in >> the Hilbert space that corresponds to a certain "classical" world. >> >> Isn't the projection another word the collapse? Are classical worlds >> "created" by the collapse of the wf? AG > > No, I don't mean changing the state vector in Hilbert space by a projection > operator. I mean that if you consider the projection onto the hyper-plane > corresponding to a particular measurement value, the existence of that > hyperplane is an idealization and that in reality there are a virtually > infinite number of such hyperplanes which are different only at the atomic > level and are indiscernible from our viewpoint. So it's misleading to think > of "worlds", which are classical constructs, splitting because of these > quantum events. A classical world should be thought of as a fuzzy > approximation, a set of very similar hyper-planes on which the Hilbert vector > of the multiverse could be projected. The "World" only splits when there is > a classical difference.
OK. We should avoid the word “split”. There is no physical splitting of universe, nor any projection. There is only differentiation of the first person experience, and the projection is a first person appearance. Bruno > > Brent > >> >> Second, this "classical" world plane is not sharply defined. Almost all >> interactions do not make any difference to it, i.e. they only make Planck >> sized changes to the action and correspondingly tiny tilts to the projective >> plane. The myriad atomic interactions in your body don't make any classical >> difference. Only the few that cause you to take action at the classical >> level. >> >> Brent >> >> >>> >>> >>> Humans have nothing to do in the process. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
