On 7/27/2018 1:58 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 22:48, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> a écrit :
On 7/27/2018 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 20:18, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> a écrit :
On 7/26/2018 11:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, <agrayson2...@gmail.com
<mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp
wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 2:08 am,
<agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:11 AM UTC,
agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM
UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I still don't get it why some people
prefer insulting other people and their
ideas instead of discussing or just stay
with their own thoughts and just say
they disagree... What do you gain by
saying they are insane, stupid or whatever?
It just looks to me childish. So stop
doing this, stop writing in 70pt size
red fonts... It's a disfavor to your
arguments.
Quentin
In fact, I DO think it's a mental illness. AG
It's not just wrong, but a gross dysfunction of
judgment. Joe the Plumber goes into a lab or his
closet, shoots a single electron at a slit, and
by so doing creates uncountable universes, all
with copies of himself, replete with his
memories. Sure. AG
You may as well protest on the same basis that the
universe can’t be so wastefully large.
I don't see how that follows. Unfortunately, one cannot
PROVE that the many worlds allegedly implied by the MWI
interpretation don't exist, which is why I insist the
True Believers are judgment impaired. Do you really
believe that trivial actions by mere humans, accidents
of evolution, can create entire universes? AG.
No, because that's not what happens, at every interactions,
universes split/differentiate... Humans or not.
I think that's a misleading way to look at it. First, the
vector in Hilbert space representing the state of the
universe just rotates around. It never "splits". What we
refer to as "splitting" is the projection onto a plane in the
Hilbert space that corresponds to a certain "classical"
world. Second, this "classical" world plane is not sharply
defined. Almost all interactions do not make any difference
to it, i.e. they only make Planck sized changes to the action
and correspondingly tiny tilts to the projective plane. The
myriad atomic interactions in your body don't make any
classical difference.
Yet if QM is the theory of reality, there is no classical world
that exists ontologicaly... So makes no difference to who, what?
That the ontology of the world is quantum is a theory. The theory
is derived from and supported by evidence which is stuff
experienced by you and me. Our experience of the world is
"classical" (notice I used scare quotes, as I did above). Bohr
was right when he observed that science and knowledge are only
possible in a "classical" world; a world in which records exist
and observers can agree on them and we do not observe macroscopic
superpositions.
If QM is reality, microscopic change are parallel realities even if
your conscious state is compatible, span over them...Hence
computationalism.
*IF* QM is reality...or is it just our best current model of reality.
That's part of my point. Ontologies come from theories, which come from
epistemology.
Brent
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