Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 22:48, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> a écrit :
> > > On 7/27/2018 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 20:18, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> a > écrit : > >> >> >> On 7/26/2018 11:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 2:08 am, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:11 AM UTC, [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I still don't get it why some people prefer insulting other people >>>>>>> and their ideas instead of discussing or just stay with their own >>>>>>> thoughts >>>>>>> and just say they disagree... What do you gain by saying they are >>>>>>> insane, >>>>>>> stupid or whatever? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It just looks to me childish. So stop doing this, stop writing in >>>>>>> 70pt size red fonts... It's a disfavor to your arguments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quentin >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In fact, I DO think it's a mental illness. AG >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's not just wrong, but a gross dysfunction of judgment. Joe the >>>>> Plumber goes into a lab or his closet, shoots a single electron at a slit, >>>>> and by so doing creates uncountable universes, all with copies of himself, >>>>> replete with his memories. Sure. AG >>>>> >>>> >>>> You may as well protest on the same basis that the universe can’t be so >>>> wastefully large. >>>> >>> >>> I don't see how that follows. Unfortunately, one cannot PROVE that the >>> many worlds allegedly implied by the MWI interpretation don't exist, which >>> is why I insist the True Believers are judgment impaired. Do you really >>> believe that trivial actions by mere humans, accidents of evolution, can >>> create entire universes? AG. >>> >> >> >> No, because that's not what happens, at every interactions, universes >> split/differentiate... Humans or not. >> >> >> I think that's a misleading way to look at it. First, the vector in >> Hilbert space representing the state of the universe just rotates around. >> It never "splits". What we refer to as "splitting" is the projection onto >> a plane in the Hilbert space that corresponds to a certain "classical" >> world. Second, this "classical" world plane is not sharply defined. >> Almost all interactions do not make any difference to it, i.e. they only >> make Planck sized changes to the action and correspondingly tiny tilts to >> the projective plane. The myriad atomic interactions in your body don't >> make any classical difference. >> > > > Yet if QM is the theory of reality, there is no classical world that > exists ontologicaly... So makes no difference to who, what? > > > That the ontology of the world is quantum is a theory. The theory is > derived from and supported by evidence which is stuff experienced by you > and me. Our experience of the world is "classical" (notice I used scare > quotes, as I did above). Bohr was right when he observed that science and > knowledge are only possible in a "classical" world; a world in which > records exist and observers can agree on them and we do not observe > macroscopic superpositions. > If QM is reality, microscopic change are parallel realities even if your conscious state is compatible, span over them...Hence computationalism. > > Brent > "Epistemology precedes ontology." > --- terry savage > > > Only the few that cause you to take action at the classical level. >> >> Brent >> >> >> >> >> Humans have nothing to do in the process. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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