> On 28 Jul 2018, at 00:12, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 7/27/2018 1:58 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 22:48, Brent Meeker <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : >> >> >> On 7/27/2018 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 20:18, Brent Meeker <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : >>> >>> >>> On 7/26/2018 11:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 2:08 am, <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:11 AM UTC, [email protected] <> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>>> I still don't get it why some people prefer insulting other people and >>>> their ideas instead of discussing or just stay with their own thoughts and >>>> just say they disagree... What do you gain by saying they are insane, >>>> stupid or whatever? >>>> >>>> It just looks to me childish. So stop doing this, stop writing in 70pt >>>> size red fonts... It's a disfavor to your arguments. >>>> >>>> Quentin >>>> >>>> In fact, I DO think it's a mental illness. AG >>>> >>>> It's not just wrong, but a gross dysfunction of judgment. Joe the Plumber >>>> goes into a lab or his closet, shoots a single electron at a slit, and by >>>> so doing creates uncountable >>>> universes, all with copies of himself, replete with his memories. >>>> Sure. AG >>>> >>>> You may as well protest on the same basis that the universe can’t be so >>>> wastefully large. >>>> >>>> I don't see how that follows. Unfortunately, one cannot PROVE that the >>>> many worlds allegedly implied by the MWI interpretation don't exist, which >>>> is why I insist the True Believers are judgment impaired. Do you really >>>> believe that trivial actions by mere humans, accidents of evolution, can >>>> create entire universes? AG. >>>> >>>> >>>> No, because that's not what happens, at every interactions, universes >>>> split/differentiate... Humans or not. >>> >>> I think that's a misleading way to look at it. First, the vector in >>> Hilbert space representing the state of the universe just rotates around. >>> It never "splits". What we refer to as "splitting" is the projection onto >>> a plane in the Hilbert space that corresponds to a certain "classical" >>> world. Second, this "classical" world plane is not sharply defined. >>> Almost all interactions do not make any difference to it, i.e. they only >>> make Planck sized changes to the action and correspondingly tiny tilts to >>> the projective plane. The myriad atomic interactions in your body don't >>> make any classical difference. >>> >>> >>> Yet if QM is the theory of reality, there is no classical world that exists >>> ontologicaly... So makes no difference to who, what? >> >> That the ontology of the world is quantum is a theory. The theory is >> derived from and supported by evidence which is stuff experienced by you and >> me. Our experience of the world is "classical" (notice I used scare quotes, >> as I did above). Bohr was right when he observed that science and knowledge >> are only possible in a "classical" world; a world in which records exist and >> observers can agree on them and we do not observe macroscopic superpositions. >> >> >> If QM is reality, microscopic change are parallel realities even if your >> conscious state is compatible, span over them...Hence computationalism. > > IF QM is reality...or is it just our best current model of reality. That's > part of my point. Ontologies come from theories, which come from > epistemology.
The belief in this or that ontology comes from epistemology. By definition of ontology, it is real even without any observer or conscious being. I guess that this is what you mean, if not you get close to solipsism or subjective idealism. Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
