> On 21 Oct 2018, at 21:59, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 11:30:54 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 5:22:20 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > BTW, on "non-relations [which] are the non-mathematical objects and they (or > at least some of them) may be the qualities of consciousness (qualia)", that > is what I try to address in > > https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2018/10/14/experience-processing/ > <https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2018/10/14/experience-processing/> > > where there is information processing (which is all mathematical processing) > and something else: experience processing. > > - pt > > I would say that any description is relational and therefore > mathematical/logical. When you describe an object you always define/present > it in relations to other objects - in relations to its parts or properties. > You can't describe the object itself, only give it a label. So you can't > describe qualities of consciousness themselves either. Not sure how you would > "process" them then. > > Is there really a fundamental difference between hardware and software? I > mean, software can be seen as part of hardware: software is a particular > configuration of electron flows in hardware. > > > Mathematics is genre of fiction [ > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fictionalism-mathematics/ ], so relations > are fictional. "Processing" relations/mathematics has no real meaning. > > The difference between hardware and software today is somewhat blurred with > synthetic biology, programmable matter, reconfigurable hardware.
Assuming some form of non-mechanism, or non-digital-mechanism. OK. (Well, OK from a purely logical standpoint, but I find premature to invoke non-mechanism, when all available evidence favour mechanism, (consciousness, quantum mechanics, etc.). Bruno > > - pt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
