On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 8:04:11 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:53:50 PM UTC-6, [email protected] > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:30:32 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:02:52 PM UTC-6, [email protected] >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:44:34 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-6, >>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> * As for physicists being materialists in the sense of believing >>>>>> there is nothing underlying matter as its cause, I have never heard that >>>>>> position articulated by any physicist, in person or on the Internet. AG * >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Victor Stenger >>>>> *Materialism Deconstructed?* >>>>> >>>>> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/victor-stenger/materialism-deconstructed_b_2228362.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> *I was once a member of Vic's discussion group. Vic believed in the >>>> reality of matter, in the sense that if you kick it, it kicks back. But he >>>> didn't deny the possibility that there could be something more fundamental >>>> underlying matter. This denial is what Bruno claims is the materialist >>>> position, but it surely wasn't Vic's position. You know this, of course, >>>> being a member of that group. Right? AG* >>>> >>>>> >>>>> - pt >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> I hosted Vic in Dallas in 2014 for a talk. I got to know him fairly >>> personally . >>> >>> Homages to philosophical materialism ("matter is the fundamental >>> substance in nature") is in his books. *Timeless Reality* in particular. >>> >>> One can be open-minded, or *ironist *in Rorty's definition [ >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironism ], and he was that. >>> >>> But despite all the "models" talk, I would confidently say he was always >>> a hardcore materialist. >>> >>> - pt >>> >> >> Show me one instance, just one, where Vic denied something causal and >> unknown underlying the existence of matter? This is Bruno's model of >> materialism among physicists but it clearly doesn't apply to Vic. AG >> > > > When Vic refutes that materialism ("all there is is matter") has been > refuted (as Vic did in his essay), he is asserting all there is is matter. > There is no matter + some ghosts behind matter. He wanted to banish the > ghosts (the immaterial). >
Apparently, you don't understand what the issue with materialism is. I already explained it. AG > > - pt > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
