On 3/4/2019 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, Brent Meeker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



On 3/3/2019 4:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:



Here's an example David Wallace presents (as an "outlandish" possibility): Suppose in *pi *(which is computable, so has a /program/ (a spigot one, in fact) that produces its digits. Suppose somewhere in that stream of digits is the Standard Model Equation

    (say written in LaTeX/Math but rendered here)
https://www.sciencealert.com/images/Screen_Shot_2016-08-03_at_3.20.12_pm.png

So what could this mean? (He sort of leaves it hanging.)


Nothing.  Given a suitable mapping the SM Lagrangian can be found in any sequence of symbols.  It's just a special case of the rock that computes everything.

Even if rock would exist in some primitive sense, which I doubt, they do not compute anything, except in a trivial sense the quantum state of the rock. A rock is not even a definable digital object.

It's an ostensively definable object...which is much better.

If someone want to convince me that a rock can compute everything, I will ask them to write a complier of the combinators, say, in the rock. I will ask an algorithm generating the phi_i associated to the rock.

There is no particular phi_i associated to the rock.  That's the point.  The rock goes thru various states so there exists a mapping from that sequence of states to any computation with a similar number of states.  Of course one may object that the actual computation is in the mapping...but that's because of our prejudice for increasing entropy.

Brent

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