On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 5:54:24 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, Brent Meeker <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
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> On 3/3/2019 4:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> Here's an example David Wallace presents (as an "outlandish" possibility): 
> Suppose in *pi *(which is computable, so has a *program* (a spigot one, 
> in fact) that produces its digits. Suppose somewhere in that stream of 
> digits is the Standard Model Equation
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>     (say written in LaTeX/Math but rendered here)
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> https://www.sciencealert.com/images/Screen_Shot_2016-08-03_at_3.20.12_pm.png
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> So what could this mean? (He sort of leaves it hanging.)
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> Nothing.  Given a suitable mapping the SM Lagrangian can be found in any 
> sequence of symbols.  It's just a special case of the rock that computes 
> everything.
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> Even if rock would exist in some primitive sense, which I doubt, they do 
> not compute anything, except in a trivial sense the quantum state of the 
> rock. A rock is not even a definable digital object. If someone want to 
> convince me that a rock can compute everything, I will ask them to write a 
> complier of the combinators, say, in the rock. I will ask an algorithm 
> generating the phi_i associated to the rock.
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> Bruno
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There are "smart" rocks that do signal processing.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/350/6258/289.4

- pt 

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