On 3/14/2019 5:54 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:40 AM Philip Thrift <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    /> We may even have robots that can sit and talk with us about
    current events, know everything in Wikipedia, etc. How "creative"
    they will be is an open question. /


I don't think it's a open question at all. I can state without reservation that regardless of how intelligent computers become they will *never* be creative because the word "creative" now means whatever computers aren't good at. Yet. And thus due to Moore's Law and improved programing the meaning of the word constantly changes. What was creative yesterday isn't creative today.

    /> On mathematics: Of course mathematics changes, because it is a
    type of language, and languages change./


If mathematics is just a language (as I think it is) then it can not be used to construct things, in particular it can't, by itself without the use of matter, construct a Turing Machine as Bruno claims it can. English is also a language but an English word has no meaning without an English speaker with a physical brain to hear it.

And with a world outside that brain for the word to reference.

Brent


 John K Clark

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