On 3/14/2019 6:03 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 7:54:49 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:40 AM Philip Thrift <[email protected]
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/> We may even have robots that can sit and talk with us about
current events, know everything in Wikipedia, etc. How
"creative" they will be is an open question. /
I don't think it's a open question at all. I can state without
reservation that regardless of how intelligent computers become
they will *never* be creative because the word "creative" now
means whatever computers aren't good at. Yet. And thus due to
Moore's Law and improved programing the meaning of the word
constantly changes. What was creative yesterday isn't creative today.
/> On mathematics: Of course mathematics changes, because it
is a type of language, and languages change./
If mathematics is just a language (as I think it is) then it can
not be used to construct things, in particular it can't, by itself
without the use of matter, construct a Turing Machine as Bruno
claims it can. English is also a language but an English word has
no meaning without an English speaker with a physical brain to
hear it.
John K Clark
There is some AI art that sells at galleries
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/shortcuts/2018/oct/26/call-that-art-can-a-computer-be-a-painter
but that's about it I've seen.
Turing machines in theoretical computing/math books are all fictional
things, of course.
All actual computers are made of matter.
(Technically the fictional ones are too: Printed ink glyphs on paper.)
-pt
And AI designs stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_antenna
Brent
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