1) They are just ideas. Like the idea of "planet Vulcan" that disappeared when the set of ideas that gave birth to it have been replaced with other set of ideas. In the future, the idea of "dark matter" will also disappear when the set of ideas "General Relativity" will be replaced by other set of ideas. What remains constant in all these changes is the consciousnesses that have the ideas. Maybe you are referring to the fact that we have no absolute free will. And this is certainly true. We don't know what makes us experience certain qualia and not others. I don't have the ability to choose to imagine a new color. And this is indeed a problem that needs to be solved.
2) Learning is a property of consciousness. So no, robots don't learn anything, in the same way that if I step in the mud, mud doesn't "learn" the shape of my foot. On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 03:14:49 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/16/2019 12:43 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > There are no electrons and no neurons. "Electrons" and "neurons" are just > ideas in consciousness, are projections in the idea of "physical world" of > processes that happen in consciousness. > > 1) > > I agree they are ideas of consciousness. But to say they are "just" ideas > of consciousness, implies that they do not evolve according to their own > laws. And I notice you said that consciousness moves them in ways > inconsistent with physics; so you are biting the bullet on that point; > which is testable. > > And since in places where there is consciousness, consciousness has > certain effects, it is normal for those effects to look different than in > places where there is no conscious activity. Is like for example watching a > recording of World of Warcraft on youtube vs. watching someone playing > World of Warcraft live. In the recording the same things will happen over > and over again, and they will be called "laws of physics", while watching > someone playing live, different things will happen every time. As you can > see, the image is the same: an elf running through the forest. But the > effect are different. In the first case God decided the rules at the > beginning, but there is no God anymore moving the electrons, they just > repeat over and over again the initial trigger, while other electrons are > actively influenced by currently existing consciousnesses. As you can see, > the causal power doesn't lie in the electrons, but in the consciousnesses > behind the curtains. > > 2) > > But a Mars Rover can also learn to play World of Warcraft..and probably do > it better than you and me. > > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
