On 4/16/2019 1:22 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote:
esoteric = "intended for or likely to be understood by only a small
number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest." According
to this definition, I'm not making self-reference esoteric. On the
contrary, since I devote a whole book to it, the intention is to make
self-reference to be understood by everyone. Probably you want to mean
something else by esoteric, something like "out-of-this-world". But
this again is not the case, because self-reference is the source of
the entire existence, so it is pretty much part of the world.
Also, your example with the Mars Rover is faulty, because the rover
doesn't know anything.
How do you know this? Why can a bunch of neurons be conscious, but a
bunch of electronics can't?
Brent
Knowledge is something that exists in consciousness. Only
consciousnesses know things. And things indeed are formal entities,
but the process of knowing itself is not. Actually, knowledge can be
formal precisely because the processes of knowing is unformalizable.
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 04:44:22 UTC+3, Brent wrote:
You seem to make self-reference into something esoteric. Every
Mars Rover knows where it is, the state of its batteries, its
instruments, its communications link, what time it is, what its
mission plan is. Whether it is "formalizable" or not would seem
to depend on choosing the right formalization to describe what
engineers already create.
Brent
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