On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:25:19PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Rover is conscious, but still dissociated from ‘rover”. But that is just > because it has no strong induction axiom, and no way to build approximation of > models of itself. It lack a re-entring neural system rich enough to manage > the > gap between its first person apprehension, and the third person apparent > reality around it.
> > > > > > > The entity "Telmo" exists in your mind and mine, and I happen to be an > entity "Telmo" in whose mind the entity "Telmo" also exists. This is real > self-reference. > > > I agree. It is unclear for me if Mars Rover has it, or not, as I have not seen > the code, and even seeing it, it could ba a Helle of a difficulty to prove it > has not that ability. I doubt it has it, because Naza does not want a free > exploratory on Mars, but a docile slave. I do think self-reference has something to do with it, as without an observer to give meaning to something, it has no meaning. For instance, without an observer to interpret a certain pile of atoms as a machine, it is just a pile of atoms. Unless you propose a la Bishop Berkley some sort of devine mind from which all meaning radiates, the only other possibility is that each consciousness bootstraps its own meaning from self-reference. Unless the mars rover has a self model in its code (and I don't think it was constructed that way), then I would extremely doubt it has any sort of consciousness. A more interesting possibility is Hod Lipson's "starfish" robot, which has self-reference baked in. Cheers -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Senior Research Fellow [email protected] Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
