> On 18 Apr 2019, at 14:33, Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > There are > > I: Information > E: Experience > M: Matter > > Some think selfhood can be made of pure-I; others think pure-E. > > Most modern materialists think I-type M is enough. > But experiential materialists think it's (E+I)-type M. > > The ancient materialist Epicurus thought there were physical (I) and > psychical (E) atoms, so he was already an experiential materialist.
But we have not found (primitively) psychical atoms. Nor do we have really found serious evidence for (primitively) material atoms. A case could be made that the fermions are material atoms, and the boson would be the psychical atoms, but that would be a sort of abuse of words, as both notions are well defined third or first person sharable, and adding mind to them seems arbitrary, and does not seem to lead to testable conclusions, nor to explain anything. And, as I said, to introduce unintelligible axioms to allow oneself to feel “superior” (in this case: conscious) to some other creature is a bit frightening, as racism proceeds in a similar way. Bruno > > - pt > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 5:34:16 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: > The only downside being that... the robot does not exist. People are tricking > themselves too easily into personifying objects. There is no robot there, > there are just a bunch of atoms that bang into each others. You can move > those atoms around all day long as you want. You will not create > self-reference or "self models" or "imaginations of itself". These are just > concepts that exist in the mind of the "researchers" and the "researchers" > not getting outside of the lab too often, start to believe their own > fantasies. > > On Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:11:09 UTC+3, Philip Thrift wrote: > > Columbia engineers create a robot that can imagine itself > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
