Map lookup is a valid implementation for any program you can conceive, albeit a very ineffective one... The chinese room is such implementation... And as much as my parts are not me, i'm not the sum of my parts...
Quentin Le mer. 1 mai 2019 à 20:34, Terren Suydam <[email protected]> a écrit : > > I would argue for "pancyberpsychism" (I'm no good at naming - is there a > name for that already?) which is to say that there it is something it is > like to do information processing of any kind. However, the quality of the > consciousness involved in that processing is related to its dynamics. So > banging on a rock involves a primitive form of information processing, as > vibrations ripple through the rock - there it is something it is like for > that rock to be banged on. For ongoing consciousness, some sort of feedback > loop must be involved. A thermostat would be a primitive example of this, > or a simple oscillating electric circuit. The main idea is that > consciousness is associated with cybernetic organization and has nothing to > do with substrate, which might be material or virtual. > > In the Chinese Room example the cybernetic characteristics of the thought > experiment lack any true feedback mechanism. This is the case with most > instances of software as we know it - e.g. traditional chess engines. There > is something it is like to be them, but it's not anything we would > recognize in terms of ongoing subjective awareness. One could argue that > operation systems (including Mars Rovers) embody the cybernetic dynamics > necessary for ongoing experience, but I'd guess that what it's like to be > an operating system would be pretty alien. > > With biological brains, it's all about feedback and recursivity. Small > insects with rudimentary nervous systems are totally recursive, feeding > sensory data in and processing it continuously. So insect consciousness is > much closer to our own than ordinary Von-Neumann architecture > data-processing. > > As nervous systems get more complex, feeding in more data and processing > data in much more sophisticated ways, the consciousness involved would > likewise be experienced in a richer way. > > Humans, with our intricate conceptual, language-based self-models, achieve > true self-consciousness. The self-model is a quantum leap forward, giving > us the ability to say "I am". The ego gets a bad rap but it's responsible > for our ability to notice ourselves and live within and create ongoing > narratives about what we are, in relation to what we aren't. This explains > why ego-dissolving psychedelics lead to such profound changes in > consciousness. > > Terren > > On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 3:02 PM Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Le mer. 1 mai 2019 à 18:13, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> a écrit : >> >>> How is a computer conscious ? Magic ? Are you even aware of the Chinese >>> Room argument ? >>> >> >> Yes, and how is the chinese room not conscious ? Because you have to >> associate it either to the dumb person acting as processor or the rules ? >> The chinese room as a whole information processing unit is conscious. If >> you ask it, it will tell you so... Prove it is not. >> >> Quentin >> >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
