> On 2 May 2019, at 13:59, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 1:54 AM 'Brent Meeker' > <everything-list@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > > Islam is a religion based almost entirely on threats. > > True, but in all fairness Christianity is also based on threats. It preaches > that faith (believing in something when there is no good reason for doing so) > is not stupidity but is instead the ultimate virtue, and if you don't believe > in all the crap that Christianity (or Islam) says then a good and loving God > will torture you most fiendishly not for 10^100 years but for an infinite > number of years. I'm no saint but I wouldn't do that to a unrepentant Hitler, > and yet another thing we're suposed to do is constantly flatter God by > telling Him how good He is. > > The Meaning of Life: Praise the Lord > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7sF4JzjwTg> > > John K Clark
To be slightly provocative, and short, I would say that Christanism died in 529, when the emperor Jusitinian sided with the radicals, and closed the Academy of Plato, beginning a lasting persecution of the “pagan theologian”, that is mainly the neoplatonists. Today they have the great help of the (strong) atheists, to mock any attempt to come back at the level of the neoplatonician rigour in the domain, which is so helpful for continuing the exploitation the people by the states and institutions. That is when theology has been initially stolen by the “temporal power”, and that is a blasphemy and sin in any reasonable theology. Then, many neoplatonician took refuge in the Middle East, leading to the enlighten period of what is called the greco-muslim religious era, ending, unfortunately when Al-Ghazali, won his debate against Averroes. Averroès defended the idea that the text(s) should be submitted to Reason, when Al-Ghazali defended the idea that Reason must be submitted to the text. Averroès criticised the literal reading of religious texts, against those who favoured, sometimes invoking the lack of maturity of the people, the literal reading of religious histories. Note that Maimonides seems to be the one helping the jews to fall in that literalist trap. Despite his “appreciation of Aristotle”, he kept the link with Plato’s insight. >From that point, islam will abandon science and philosophy, and enter a very >dark age. To be sure, I have discovered that many christians and muslims >minority schools (like the Ma”taselit, the Bektashi, …) will keep the >non-literalism of Averroès (and recently, I discovered that the muslims in >Albania were Bektashi, and save the Albanian jews, and many other Jews from >the Nazis, confirming the universal machine theology, where “humanity" is >related to rigour in theology). The problem are not religion or theology. The problem are the pseudo-science and the pseudo religion, based on the argument per authority (like violence in particular), that we get when we try to separate them. Bruno > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
