There is some back story to why we are here and need to be forgiven. We
have been given some insights to our predicament here:

   1. Lo! We offered the trust unto the heavens and the earth and the
   hills, but they shrank from bearing it and were afraid of it. And man
   assumed it. Lo! he hath proved a tyrant and a fool. So Allah punisheth
   hypocritical men and hypocritical women, and idolatrous men and idolatrous
   women. But Allah pardoneth believing men and believing women, and Allah is
   ever Forgiving, Merciful. [Al-Quran 33:72-73, Translation: Pickthall]

   2. And (remember) when thy Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam,
   from their reins, their seed, and made them testify of themselves,
   (saying): Am I not your Lord? They said: Yea, verily. We testify. (That
   was) lest ye should say at the Day of Resurrection: Lo! of this we were
   unaware; Or lest ye should say: (It is) only (that) our fathers ascribed
   partners to Allah of old and we were (their) seed after them. Wilt Thou
   destroy us on account of that which those who follow falsehood did? Thus we
   detail the revelations, that haply they may return. [Al-Quran 7:172-174,
   Translation: Pickthall]

   3. Those who break the covenant of Allah after ratifying it, and sever
   that which Allah ordered to be joined, and (who) make mischief in the
   earth: Those are they who are the losers How disbelieve ye in Allah when ye
   were dead and He gave life to you! Then He will give you death, then life
   again, and then unto Him ye will return. He it is Who created for you all
   that is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as
   seven heavens. And He is knower of all things. And when thy Lord said unto
   the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: Wilt
   thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while
   we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which
   ye know not. And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the
   angels, saying: Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful. They
   said: Be glorified! We have no knowledge saving that which Thou hast taught
   us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower, the Wise. He said: O Adam! Inform
   them of their names, and when he had informed them of their names, He said:
   Did I not tell you that I know the secret of the heavens and the earth? And
   I know that which ye disclose and which ye hide. And when We said unto the
   angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save
   Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever. And We said:
   O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and eat ye freely (of the
   fruits) thereof where ye will; but come not nigh this tree lest ye become
   wrong-doers. But Satan caused them to deflect therefrom and expelled them
   from the (happy) state in which they were; and We said: Fall down, one of
   you a foe unto the other! There shall be for you on earth a habitation and
   provision for a time. Then Adam received from his Lord words (of
   revelation), and He relented toward him. Lo! He is the relenting, the
   Merciful. We said: Go down, all of you, from hence; but verily there cometh
   unto you from Me a guidance; and whoso followeth My guidance, there shall
   no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. But they who disbelieve,
   and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will
   abide therein. O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I
   favoured you, and fulfil your (part of the) covenant, I shall fulfil My
   (part of the) covenant, and fear Me. And believe in that which I reveal,
   confirming that which ye possess already (of the Scripture), and be not
   first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations for a
   trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me. Confound not truth with
   falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth. [Al-Quran 2:27-42, Translation:
   Pickthall]



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On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 4:46 PM smitra <[email protected]> wrote:

> What's the point of creating criminals and then to torture those
> criminals for eternity in hell?
>
> On 03-05-2019 04:41, Samiya Illias wrote:
> > Considering how vast we have come to realise the Universe to be, do
> > you honestly think our praise or our insults affect God in any way? Do
> > you even realise how great the Creator of all this must be? Do you
> > think God would need any appreciation from us? Rather, it is we who
> > need to appreciate God!
> >
> > God created the entire creation and He governs it flawlessly according
> > to His Laws. The entire creation submits to His Laws, except some
> > criminals...
> >
> > The way I understand it, we, humans and snakes, are criminals who have
> > been contained on a planet. Our collective crime is that we abused our
> > free will to go against the Universal Laws. We have an appointment, in
> > the Divine Court, that will be kept as scheduled. We have been given a
> > temporal life so that each one of us can generate evidence (data:
> > speech and deeds) for or against ourselves.
> >
> > Remembering God through prayer, and Praising God by repeatedly
> > declaring that God is free from all imperfection, helps us to
> > understand and consequently be pleased with God, contented to submit
> > to His Laws and Decrees, and grateful for the guidance, looking
> > forward to an immortal life of luxury and perhaps the most prestigious
> > jobs anyone can ever aspire for: in service of Allah, The One and Only
> > God, The KIng of the Mighty Throne of The Entire Creation!
> >
> > There is no compulsion to follow God's Laws, but the criminals will
> > not be allowed to leave this planet. They will go from living upon it
> > to living within it, in The Fire!
> >
> > Related Posts [4]
> >
> > Samiya Illias
> > Signs & Science [5]
> >
> > On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 5:00 PM John Clark <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 1:54 AM 'Brent Meeker'
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> _ _Islam is a religion based almost entirely on threats.
> >>
> >> True, but in all fairness Christianity is also based on threats. It
> >> preaches that faith (believing in something when there is no good
> >> reason for doing so) is not stupidity but is instead the ultimate
> >> virtue, and if you don't believe in all the crap that Christianity
> >> (or Islam) says then a good and loving God will torture you most
> >> fiendishly not for 10^100 years but for an infinite number of years.
> >> I'm no saint but I wouldn't do that to a unrepentant Hitler, and yet
> >> another thing we're suposed to do is constantly flatter God by
> >> telling Him how good He is.
> >>
> >> The Meaning of Life: Praise the Lord [1]
> >>
> >> John K Clark
> >>
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