> On 10 May 2019, at 23:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 5/10/2019 6:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 9, 2019, at 17:53, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >>> >>> On 5/9/2019 2:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> ll sciences are born from theology, which remind us that the belief in >>>> any reality out of personal consciousness requires an act of faith. >>> This is false. Belief in an external reality is not "an act of faith". >>> It's not an "act" at all, much less a conscious one. It is a hard-wired >>> basis of belief provided by evolution. >> By appealing to evolution, aren't you just kicking the can down the road? >> What is the difference between my "acts" and the things that are hard-wired >> into my monkey-self? This is not even a question of physicalism vs idealism, >> it's a question of dualism vs non-dualism, and you are the person I least >> expect to believe in souls. > > Right. Belief is an act of the brain+body. "Act of faith" sounds like a > soul choosing some belief.
Right. And your soul seems to choose the belief in brain+body, when simple arithmetic explains well how and why such beliefs develop, and are locally and phenomenologically true, without any other ontological commitment than in very simple things, like the term of any Turing complete theory. And once you have brain and body, your actual belief are statistically related to computation made that brain and body, notwithstanding the fact that those brain and bodies are only how things look in a differentiating flux of consciousness in arithmetic (physics results from the first person indeterminacy on all computations). Universal machine’s conception of Matter is really like in Plato and Plotinus’ reconstruction of Aristotle theory of matter. It is where God lose control, total and absolute indeterminacy, like in the “simple” duplication thought experience, yet extended to the whole set of all computations (a constructive set as the universal dovetailer illustrates). Bruno > > Brent > >> >> Telmo. >> >>> Something obvious on a >>> physicalist theory of the world. >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ed9e0beb-3fdb-de49-2e28-406a371224ea%40verizon.net. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/008c2791-f20b-df4b-cfd8-0defec6a108e%40verizon.net. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/C8FE2B5D-665F-4573-8235-46DE18C12227%40ulb.ac.be.
