On 5/16/2019 11:51 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 5:14:46 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:48 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected]
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/> Information processing absent actual first-class entities
of *qualia* (or experiences) can only produce zombies. One
needs information processing operating in a material
substrate where those entities are available to be combined
and manipulated./
//So something can behave intelligently but if it is lacking
"f/irst-class entities of *qualia*/" it can only be a intelligent
zombie. But "/first-class qualia/" sounds like consciousness to
me, so you're basically saying only conscious things can be
conscious. A tautology has the virtue of always being true but it
involves a unnecessary non-required pointless repetition and
reiteration of words where you end up at the exact same place you
started with. And that is typical of all consciousness theories.
John K Clark
To be clearer: Qualia (the "ingredients" of consciousness) cannot be
reduced to information processing.
That's nothing but unsupported assertion. It's not even clear what
"reduced" means in that context.
(That is what I mean by "first-class". If qualia could be reduced to
information processing, then they would derivative from information,
or "second-class".)
Is life derivative from chemistry? Only within a certain environment.
Same with information processing. In general it's streams of bits being
processed being changed according to some algorithm. But it's qualia if
the streams are in some entity whose environment and actions give
meaning to the information, like "I've got a headache and I'm going to
lie down."
Brent
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