On 5/17/2019 3:33 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 5:21:41 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 5/16/2019 11:51 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 5:14:46 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:48 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: /> Information processing absent actual first-class entities of *qualia* (or experiences) can only produce zombies. One needs information processing operating in a material substrate where those entities are available to be combined and manipulated./ //So something can behave intelligently but if it is lacking "f/irst-class entities of *qualia*/" it can only be a intelligent zombie. But "/first-class qualia/" sounds like consciousness to me, so you're basically saying only conscious things can be conscious. A tautology has the virtue of always being true but it involves a unnecessary non-required pointless repetition and reiteration of words where you end up at the exact same place you started with. And that is typical of all consciousness theories. John K Clark To be clearer: Qualia (the "ingredients" of consciousness) cannot be reduced to information processing.That's nothing but unsupported assertion. It's not even clear what "reduced" means in that context.(That is what I mean by "first-class". If qualia could be reduced to information processing, then they would derivative from information, or "second-class".)Is life derivative from chemistry? Only within a certain environment. Same with information processing. In general it's streams of bits being processed being changed according to some algorithm. But it's qualia if the streams are in some entity whose environment and actions give meaning to the information, like "I've got a headache and I'm going to lie down." BrentIsn't *qualia can be reduced to information processing* the unsupported assertion?
No. It's very well supported. Interfere with information processing by drugs or electrical stimulus of the brain and qualia are changed or eliminated.
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