On 5/20/2019 3:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:40 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 4:10:12 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote:



        On Monday, May 20, 2019, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote:



            On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 10:39:20 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote:


                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjCytqku18M





            That was interesting. Data has consciousness or doesn't.
            It's like being pregnant.



        So what would you say to data, if he existed? That you're not
        conscious because every other conscious being that we know of
        is biological?

            All examples of consciousness we have exist in living
            objects. (Us, for example.)


        True but that's not evidence

            Can something be a conscious object but not a living object?


        Depending on your definition of life, yes, I think so.

        Jason



    I was only just reading about Data's positronic technology. If
    positronics is like biopolymers being used to make synthetic
    neurons today, then Data could be conscious.

    A non-living conscious being seems like a contradiction. I don't
    think Data would be both conscious and non-living. Data would be
    an example of life made of alternative biochemistry.


Life usually embodies aspects such as reproduction, metabolism, etc.  A mars rover or a Boltzmann brain would not meet the definition of alive, but could be conscious.

Of course we might eventually send a Mars rover that assembles copies of itself (with variation) from local materials in order to more thoroughly explore the planet.

Brent


Jason
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