On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 3:32:41 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 7:50:37 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote:
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>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 10:15:46 PM UTC+2, Jason wrote:
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>>> Appears to predict the arithmetical reality:
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>>> "There exists, unless I am mistake, an entire world consisting of the 
>>> totality of mathematical truths, which is accessible to us only through our 
>>> intelligence, just as there exists the world of physical realities; each 
>>> one is independent of us, both of them divinely created and appear 
>>> different only because of the weakness of our mind; but, for a more 
>>> powerful intelligence, they are one and the same thing, whose synthesis is 
>>> partially revealed in that marvelous correspondence between abstract 
>>> mathematics on the one hand and astronomy and all branches of physics on 
>>> the other."
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>>> https://monoskop.org/images/a/aa/Kurt_G%C3%B6del_Collected_Works_Volume_III_1995.pdf
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>>> page 323.
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>>> Jason
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>> In philosophy, the relation between abstract and concrete objects is 
>> called "instantiation", for example between the abstract triangle and 
>> concrete triangles. It is a relation whereby the abstract object is a 
>> property of the concrete objects and the concrete objects are instances of 
>> the abstract object. The instantation relation is regarded as primitive, 
>> similarly like the composition relation between a collection of objects and 
>> the objects in the collection. The instantiation relation may appear more 
>> mysterious though, because while it is quite easy to visualize a 
>> collection, it is impossible to visualize an abstract object.
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>> Abstract and concrete objects are existentially dependent on each other, 
>> because there can be no property without an object that has the property, 
>> and there can be no object that has no property.
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> In  the fictionalist philosophy of mathematics
> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fictionalism-mathematics/
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>           there are no such things as abstract objects.
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> So such troubles do not arise.
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If there is no abstract triangle then there is no concrete triangle either, 
because what would it mean that there is a concrete triangle? That seems 
more of a trouble.
  

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