On 5/31/2019 2:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I suppose for those who think that matter doesn't exist,

Nobody says that matter does not exist. That would be denying simple facts. The point is that matter has phenomenological existence.

I thing we should never use the term ‘exist” without making precise if we talk about ontological existence, or phenomenological existence.

Right.  And that of course also applies to "non-existence".  And ontologies are theory dependent.  To often the theory is assumed implicitly and "exist" is use equivocally.

With mechanism there are eight important different notion of phenomenological existence, and one simple notion of ontological existence valid only for numbers.

And that "ontological existence" is in the context of the theory of countable things, i.e. the natural numbers.

Brent


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