On 7/7/2019 6:25 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 7:50:10 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 7:41:24 AM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 7:03:05 AM UTC-5, Eva wrote:
@Lawrence Crowell
Very interesting, does it mean that everything is
connected not only spatially but also temporarily?
Sort of. The Wheeler delayed choice experiment indicates there
is a time aspect to entanglement as well. Look that up on
Wikipedia, and it is a bit odd. Quantum states and their
entanglements are not something that exist in space or time,
but which may have a representation in such. Things get a
little odd with time because there is no such thing as a
universal time operator. If there were it would mean the
conjugate of time, which is energy, as an operator can't have
a discrete spectrum.
@Philip Thrift
Retrocausation? So, I'm thirsty because I will drink
water? This is to much for me :/
Huw Price and Wharton have been beating this dead horse for a
long time. Not many physicists take this seriously, for it
would mean there is an underlying causal mechanism that would
obey Bell inequalities. The Bell theorem illustrate how
quantum physics violates these. The retrocauality idea is very
much an auslander conjecture that not many take seriously.
LC
This topic has been discussed for about 20 years here, beginning
in the original group.
By 'here' I meant on atvoid and atvoid-2 (the sequel), not
everything-list.
But the point is this topic was discussed for 20 years, beginning in
the group started by Victor Stenger (Timeless Reality). Physics does
not rule backward (or downward, for that matter) causation in or out,
and someone who tells you absolutely it is ruled out has no
understanding of physics.
In general it is ruled out by definition, as in classical mechanics: The
past and future are all determined by any sufficient set of conditions,
so when we give past conditions we say they cause the future condition
and when we give the future condition we say it is caused by the past.
Brent
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/atvoid
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/atvoid>
Some are a dense today about this as they were 20 years ago. Don't
buy into the fundamentalist cult catechism (and a total
misunderstanding of physics) expressed above.
@philip thrift
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