On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 8:24:46 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 03:57:14AM -0700, Philip Thrift wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 5:34:38 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> >     The concept of “Matter” is never used in any paper in physics, only 
> in 
> >     materialist philosophy.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02062-0 
> > 
> > Strange topological materials are popping up everywhere physicists look 
> > 
> > ‘Fragile topology’ is the latest addition to a group of quantum 
> phenomena that 
> > give materials exotic — and exciting — properties. 
> > 
> > "The mathematics hidden in materials keeps getting more exotic. 
> Topological 
> > states of matter — which derive exotic properties from their electrons’ 
> > ‘knotty’ quantum states — have shot from rare curiosity to one of the 
> hottest 
> > fields in physics. Now, theorists are finding that topology is 
> ubiquitous — and 
> > recognizing it as one of the most significant ways in which solid matter 
> can 
> > behave." 
> > 
> > @philipthrift 
> > 
>
> I suspect that all of matter (eg the zoo of elementary particles) 
> might be related to the topology of the underlying spacetime. Sadly, 
> my mathematical chops are not strong enough to make headway on this 
> insight... 
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 Physicists blithely refer to space (and spacetime) as something that is a 
known thing, as if it were some 3d or 4d mathematical metrical entity of 
1800s mathematics that Einstein used. Today it may be some more cellular 
structure of 2000s quantum spacetime models (e.g. LQG). And then there are 
things called fields hypothetically filling space(time).

This is useful to read again (one of VIctor Stenger's last essays):

*Materialism deconstructed?*
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/materialism-deconstructed_b_2228362

We really don't know what any of this is.

@philipthrift





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