On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 1:24:37 PM UTC-5, telmo wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 18:08, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 8:18:09 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: > > > Brent argues that the consciousness problem will be solved by building AIs > that behave in such a way as to convince us they are conscious. My point is > that our relation to an AI tells us nothing about consciousness. > > Telmo. > > > If the cognitivist (information-processing) AI approach to consciousness > is right, then consciousness can be realized on any mechanism that performs > (conventional) information processing. > > The alternative is "not all materials are equal" and that (self-aware) > consciousness can be realized only in mechanisms made of a particular type > of materials (e.g. biomaterials). > > > A third possibility is that materials are things within consciousness, > i.e. consciousness is more fundamental than matter. > > Telmo. > > > But then that goes back to my "materials science argument for matter": matter (as demonstrated in the summer Materials Camp for high school students) shows it does things beyond what consciousness on its own can imagine.
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