*Φ+Ψ:* *both numbers (information) and [real!] qualia (experience) are processed*. Now matter (in the panpsychist view) supplies *Φ+Ψ* but maybe there's an alternative. It comes down to what real *Ψ *is. A recent paper from Hedda Hassel Mørch here: https://philpapers.org/archive/MRCTPP.pdf A real *Ψ* vs an illusory or simulated *Ψ *is the key issue. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b0b23224-8f9c-49a3-8afd-fd0c96c9366f%40googlegroups.com.