On 8/25/2019 2:12 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 12:08 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    On 8/24/2019 9:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
    >
    > The mind is a pattern distinct from any of it's physical
    incarnations.

    What does "distinct" mean in that?  It's a distinction you make
    because
    you can think of a brain and processes of the brain as separate. 
    Just
    like you can think of an automobile plant as distinct from the steps
    required to make a car.  But that doesn't mean that a car can be made
    without any physical process.


It is distinct in the sense that bits are different from electrical voltages or scribbles on paper.

Yes and insurance is different from cash.  So what?  A bit is just a physical thing that you choose to  regard purely in terms of its computational relations...we calll the "abstractions" for a reason.




    >
    > Brains have mass, minds do not.

    Neither does insurance or football.

    > Brains have definite locations, minds do not.

    How do you know this?  Minds get affected when brains do.


Because of what I write below.


    > Minds can exist in multiple locations at once, brains cannot.

    Poetic equivocation on "exist".

    > Minds can travel from one physical universe to another, or to
    > locations beyond the cosmological horizon receding at speeds
    greater
    > than c, brains cannot.

    OK.  Report back to us when your mind is on Jupiters Moon, Titan.
    We can
    compare it to what Dragonfly finds in 2026.  Could save NASA a lot of
    money.


It requires the cooperation of equipment already present on Titan.

Right. It requires a physical part of your extended brain to be there.

Brent

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