On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 10:51 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 8/25/2019 6:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sunday, August 25, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On 8/25/2019 2:12 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 12:08 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 8/24/2019 9:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> > >>> > The mind is a pattern distinct from any of it's physical incarnations. >>> >>> What does "distinct" mean in that? It's a distinction you make because >>> you can think of a brain and processes of the brain as separate. Just >>> like you can think of an automobile plant as distinct from the steps >>> required to make a car. But that doesn't mean that a car can be made >>> without any physical process. >>> >> >> It is distinct in the sense that bits are different from electrical >> voltages or scribbles on paper. >> >> >> Yes and insurance is different from cash. So what? A bit is just a >> physical thing that you choose to regard purely in terms of its >> computational relations...we calll the "abstractions" for a reason. >> > > Under your own definition of abstraction above, there is a distinction > between a mind and a brain. There's not an identity relation between the > two, as one discards unnecessary details. > > > "Unnecessary" to what? > The specification of the mind. > > As an abstract pattern, there's many physical incarnations that could map > to the same mind. > > > No. Because the mind is relative to the environment...including the > brain. > > What is the difference between information in the brain and information that came from the environment being in the brain? From a computer science perspective, I can tell you that where the input bits come from won't make a difference in the evolution of the program execution. So whether the bits were hard coded, generated by a random number generator, or captured from a video camera makes no difference. From this would you predict that one of these three cases would result in a non-conscious zombie? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUh1zjD%3Da%3DNFgpvmqePk_6i-tF-FaQf5wc9iM6tgJeGivw%40mail.gmail.com.
