On Sunday, August 25, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 8/25/2019 2:12 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 12:08 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On 8/24/2019 9:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> > >> > The mind is a pattern distinct from any of it's physical incarnations. >> >> What does "distinct" mean in that? It's a distinction you make because >> you can think of a brain and processes of the brain as separate. Just >> like you can think of an automobile plant as distinct from the steps >> required to make a car. But that doesn't mean that a car can be made >> without any physical process. >> > > It is distinct in the sense that bits are different from electrical > voltages or scribbles on paper. > > > Yes and insurance is different from cash. So what? A bit is just a > physical thing that you choose to regard purely in terms of its > computational relations...we calll the "abstractions" for a reason. > Under your own definition of abstraction above, there is a distinction between a mind and a brain. There's not an identity relation between the two, as one discards unnecessary details. As an abstract pattern, there's many physical incarnations that could map to the same mind. Under the computational theory of mind, any universe capable of building a computer could reproduce your mind. > > > > > > > >> > >> > Brains have mass, minds do not. >> >> Neither does insurance or football. >> >> > Brains have definite locations, minds do not. >> >> How do you know this? Minds get affected when brains do. >> > > Because of what I write below. > > >> > Minds can exist in multiple locations at once, brains cannot. >> >> Poetic equivocation on "exist". >> >> > Minds can travel from one physical universe to another, or to >> > locations beyond the cosmological horizon receding at speeds greater >> > than c, brains cannot. >> >> OK. Report back to us when your mind is on Jupiters Moon, Titan. We can >> compare it to what Dragonfly finds in 2026. Could save NASA a lot of >> money. >> > > It requires the cooperation of equipment already present on Titan. > > > Right. It requires a physical part of your extended brain to be there. > > > And if the equipment existed beyond the cosmological horizon and if it had my brain state, it would enable me to go there. The mind can access places neither my brain, nor any object on earth can get to. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUjHuq5wKN6UOY-r64xuud%2BKrCGdLRJWR5uOgB4hbO0ZgQ%40mail.gmail.com.
