On 8/25/2019 6:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sunday, August 25, 2019, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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On 8/25/2019 2:12 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 12:08 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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On 8/24/2019 9:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>
> The mind is a pattern distinct from any of it's physical
incarnations.
What does "distinct" mean in that? It's a distinction you
make because
you can think of a brain and processes of the brain as
separate. Just
like you can think of an automobile plant as distinct from
the steps
required to make a car. But that doesn't mean that a car can
be made
without any physical process.
It is distinct in the sense that bits are different from
electrical voltages or scribbles on paper.
Yes and insurance is different from cash. So what? A bit is just
a physical thing that you choose to regard purely in terms of its
computational relations...we calll the "abstractions" for a reason.
Under your own definition of abstraction above, there is a distinction
between a mind and a brain. There's not an identity relation between
the two, as one discards unnecessary details.
"Unnecessary" to what?
As an abstract pattern, there's many physical incarnations that could
map to the same mind.
No. Because the mind is relative to the environment...including the brain.
Brent
Under the computational theory of mind, any universe capable of
building a computer could reproduce your mind.
>
> Brains have mass, minds do not.
Neither does insurance or football.
> Brains have definite locations, minds do not.
How do you know this? Minds get affected when brains do.
Because of what I write below.
> Minds can exist in multiple locations at once, brains cannot.
Poetic equivocation on "exist".
> Minds can travel from one physical universe to another, or to
> locations beyond the cosmological horizon receding at
speeds greater
> than c, brains cannot.
OK. Report back to us when your mind is on Jupiters Moon,
Titan. We can
compare it to what Dragonfly finds in 2026. Could save NASA
a lot of
money.
It requires the cooperation of equipment already present on Titan.
Right. It requires a physical part of your extended brain to be there.
And if the equipment existed beyond the cosmological horizon and if it
had my brain state, it would enable me to go there. The mind can
access places neither my brain, nor any object on earth can get to.
Jason
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