> On 26 Aug 2019, at 02:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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> On 8/25/2019 12:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 4:30 AM John Clark <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 12:16 AM Jason Resch <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> > The mind is a pattern distinct from any of it's physical incarnations.
>> 
>> A pattern must be a pattern of something, and whatever that something is it 
>> can't be numbers because numbers don't change with time and minds do.
>> 
>> The structure has a time dimension.  The structure varies with the time 
>> coordinate.  That's what time is.
> 
> Which one?  Coordinate time?  Clock time?  Proper time?  Whose proper time?
> 
>> 
>> 
>> So if that something isn't numbers and it isn't atoms what is it? A mind is 
>> distinct from any particular physical incarnation but it must be physical 
>> stuff of some sort because physical stuff is the only stuff that can change 
>> with time.
>> 
>> Does space change?  In physics time and space are one unified whole.
> 
> That's the theory now.  But maybe it's made of quantum entanglements?  That's 
> the trouble all religions have with trying to base their validity on physics. 
>  Physics is a science and it never provides certainty...and least of all in 
> its theories.

Yes, that is right. But metaphysics is a science too, and we must reserve our 
judgment on facts, not wishful thinking, which unfortunately is a tradition in 
that field. Physics can be equated to metaphysics when we do the Aristotelian 
ontological commitment, but the mechanism has to be abandoned.

Bruno



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