> On 26 Aug 2019, at 03:44, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 5:50 AM Jason Resch <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 3:10 AM Bruce Kellett <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 4:42 PM Jason Resch <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > For example, do you think there is any important difference between a > mathematical structure that is isomorphic to a physical universe and that > physical universe? > > Yes; the physical universe is self-sustaining, the mathematical structure is > not. > > Why do you think this? > > Because the physical universe exists, and mathematical structures are human > constructs within this universe.
That would answer Jason’s question ONLY if you meant by this “Because the physical universe exists primarily”, but this is the point being debated. Obviously, the human discover the mathematical structure through human brain, like they discover the physical structure, but both the human and the physical is simpler to explain in arithmetic, than in physics (which usually avoid the question of consciousness). Human mathematical stature are human construct, but they can fit with the mathematical reality, or not. All theories are questions, never answers. > > > Assuming both exist, is one capable of building conscious minds while the > other is not? If one cannot, what do you think it is that "physicalness" > adds which is not present in that mathematical structure which enables the > physical one to hold conscious minds? > > As I said; the physical structure exists independently, whereas the > mathematical structure is only an abstract construct, which does not exist > independently of the mind that created it. > > What's the difference between abstract and concrete? > > Things that exist differ from things that are only imagined. > > I think it's only a matter of relative perspective. Other universes to us > seem abstract. While to people in other universes ours would seem abstract. > Do you agree? > > What other universes? Other universes, if they exist, are self-contained and > do not interact with our known universe. So speculation along these lines is > fruitless, even if not actually meaningless. They interfere statistically in case the other universes/computations emulate you. Bruno > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLSq%2B4yj%3D5xka4Nabq8n1HcaxkS%2B_CUDoDT1bqbwvsmDTQ%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLSq%2B4yj%3D5xka4Nabq8n1HcaxkS%2B_CUDoDT1bqbwvsmDTQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/D55D0512-DBDC-43CB-9E44-63F14BB9178D%40ulb.ac.be.
